"The Iliad, you'll remember, boasts a very improbable plot: Helen—who was universally considered the most ravishing woman around—was married to Menelaus, the Spartan king, until Paris, a pretty boy from Troy, seduced her and carried her off. Menelaus, incensed, then launched his ships, set sail for Troy, and fought a bloody 10-year war to get her back."
What's so improbable about that? Bridget Jones (and its inspiration) are both a good deal more unlikely.
Posted by Alan Allport at May 14, 2004 04:38 AMIt's beyond improbable. The Achaeans of the 12th century BC almost certainly lacked the technology and resources to maintain an uninterrupted siege for ten years.
Even in medieval Europe it was rare for a siege to last more than a year.
That doesn't mean there isn't some truth behind the legend. Troy has been found and excavated. It was destroyed and rebuilt several times, and one of the destructions was about the right time.
Posted by: David Tomlin at May 14, 2004 09:08 AMI don't think the length of the siege (which can presumably be attributed to poetic license) is the bone of contention, however. What the writer is critiquing is the idea that Helen was so beautiful that people were prepared to wage war over her; perhaps an improbable idea in those terms, but then the real issue was one of pride, which is not an imaginary casus belli even today. Also, the key role of Agamemnon - who may have been using the outrage committed against his brother as an excuse for power-play - is ommitted.
Posted by: Alan Allport at May 14, 2004 09:16 AMThe whole Iliad is about pride, isn't it?
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One way and another it may be worth revisiting Auden's "The Shield of Achilles."
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at May 14, 2004 09:36 AMTroy has been found and excavated. It was destroyed and rebuilt several times, and one of the destructions was about the right time.
Are they sure it's Troy? Last I heard I thought there was some controversy over that.
Posted by: Alan Hogue at May 14, 2004 10:41 AMAlan says true.
http://www.varchive.org/nldag/idtroy.htm
Posted by: David Tomlin at May 14, 2004 06:17 PMThere's a mostly favorable review of the film in the New Yorker.
Hope it keeps the section with the allies marching into the city and the poet telling us what kind of land and family each captain has left behind, so that later we feel the tragedy in their deaths. I was sad that Jackson cut out Tolkien's similar mustering scenes at Minas Tirith.
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at May 14, 2004 10:36 PMSorry, the one time I don't click "Preview," something goes wrong with the formatting. [Fixed it: AA]. This is the New Yorker link.
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at May 14, 2004 10:38 PMA further Troy item from a site that seems worth reading.
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at May 14, 2004 11:42 PMThx for fixing the link.
Via A&L Daily, the Telegraph calls the film "a disgrace."
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at May 16, 2004 03:48 PM