June 24, 2004

A New Kind of Reality Show, Writing Programs, Prize Winning

Your long wait is finally over. Don't just read prize-winning fiction, experience it in a whole new way.

Which has got me thinking again about creative writing programs, the whole concept in general, its, as you might say, theory and practice. Are they only good for redistributing a little wealth from middle class kids into the pockets of well-deserving (usually prize-winning) writers? If not, why not? Thomas Pynchon took creative writing classes, according to an introduction he wrote to a collection of early short stories.

Finally, am I the only one who cannot use the term "prize-winning" with a straight face?

Posted by Alan Hogue at June 24, 2004 02:39 PM
Comments

It's hard to say. I found some of my screenwriting classes in university to be extremely helpful, not just in terms of screenwriting, but in terms of my writing in general. That said, it was one particular class which was done writing-workshop style. But the mentorship those courses offer is often helpful too.

That said, I'm not quite so impressed by the 'pick a card' school of writing demonstrated here.

Posted by: Graeme Burk at June 25, 2004 04:59 AM

Arthur Cravan (Dadaist), 1914: "I am astonished that some crook has not had the idea of opening a writing school".

Posted by: Alan Allport at June 25, 2004 06:54 AM

By the way, everyone noticed that the site I linked to has 32 hours of video of Butler in the act of writing a short story, right?

Reminds me, I took a screenwriting class myself a long time ago. The guy teaching it had like third billing on a forgotten Hollywood film of the '80s, but I have to say he was a smart person and worth talking to in a general sort of way. I came to the conclusion that worth-talking-to-in-a-general-sort-of-way-ness was about the most you could hope for from such a class, and that while this has a certain value, it's really something that people should go out and find for themselves rather than pay for.

The one practical advantage to the class was that it motivated a lazy person like myself to work more than I ordinarily would, but that, again, is something I'm embarrassed to pay for.

Great quote, Alan. Someone invented Dadaism, after all.

Posted by: Alan Hogue at June 25, 2004 08:13 AM

Did they explain what the hell a "character arc" is or why film scripts always have those huge margins?

Posted by: Martha Bridegam at June 27, 2004 08:43 PM

Ah, well, in the screenwriting world people usually don't ask so many questions. You spend most of your time learning forms the justification for which is not supposed to concern you, because the people who expect them, and who you are trying to please, aren't much interested in your opinions. Kind of a depressing business.

Posted by: Alan Hogue at June 28, 2004 01:37 AM

My own screenwriting class was, as I said, a writing workshop, which I thought was the best class I took in my misspent undergraduate career. Teaching was done through group feedback and discussion and it totally stimulated me.

Would that the actual industry be so rewarding, alas no.

As for the margins, I think it's because now people use it for guesstimating length based on page count, by the concept that a page of properly formatted script averages out to about a minute of screen time.

Posted by: Graeme Burk at June 28, 2004 09:15 PM

Well, cynicism aside, I have to say that I think screenwriting classes make much more sense than general creative writing classes, since the screenwriting business is so hung up on obscure protocols and full of people who failed in the business propagating weird structural formulae and what not.

Posted by: Alan Hogue at June 29, 2004 09:26 AM