So who else will own up to reading comics, erm, graphic novels? I wouldn't call myself anything more than a dabbler in the genre, but I was a 2000AD and Warlord fan in my fading youth, and since then I've read Maus, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (much better than the lousy movie), From Hell (ditto), Berlin, The Adventures of Luther Arkwright, and I mean to get round to Watchmen and V for Vendetta one of these days. So is the NYT right? Have we seen the future, and is it Peanuts?
Posted by Alan Allport at July 16, 2004 06:30 AMMaus -- it's good. For the family relationship portrayals as well as the history.
And, this is embarrasing, but Elfquest because of someone I dated in high school.
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at July 16, 2004 09:12 AMNeil Gaiman's Sandman was excellent. Also worth checking out is Scott McCloud's magnificent Understanding Comics.
Posted by: Ben Brumfield at July 16, 2004 09:29 AMI'm a huge reader of comics and graphic novels. I've read most of the ones Alan has read (V for Vendetta and Orwell may be two of the most influential things I read as a 19 year-old). Ghost World is also excellent (quite different from the movie, which I also love). And From Hell is a masterpiece of literature, period. I'm quite pleased with the ascendancy of the graphic novel and wish it well; I think it deserves better respectability in the mainstream and hope this NYT piece is the breakthrough it's been looking for.
Posted by: Graeme Burk at July 16, 2004 10:18 AMThe Watchmen, in my unhumble opinion, is the finest graphic novel I have ever read by far, and one of the finest novels in general, I might even be tempted to say, at least of a certain genre.
Also well worth reading is Joe Sacco's Safe Area Gorazde, about Bosnia during the war.
Also excellent is the work of Daniel Clowes, whose work was the basis for the reasonably good adaptation Ghost World. But he has a much wider range than anyone who's seen that movie or read the graphic novel might expect. My favorite of his graphic novels, originally published serially in Eightball, is the the surreal and unsettling Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron. He has many other collections available, and all of them, with the exception of the early Lloyd Llewellyn comics, are well worth reading.
Posted by: Alan Hogue at July 16, 2004 11:32 AMI also love Watchmen, From Hell, Ghost World, Like a Velvet Glove.
Grant Morrison's The Invisibles is where is it at yo.
Also don't forget about European stuff like The Incal, The Metabarons (by Alexandro Jodorwsky), Enki Bilal's The Dormant Beast, and everything by Peeters and Schuiten.
Posted by: john anderson at July 16, 2004 12:39 PMLets just say I had a very adverse reaction to Ted Rall's 2024, purchased without knowing anything about him. I've learned my lesson.
Posted by: Gene Zitver at July 16, 2004 04:40 PMAs a public service would Gene (or somebody) mind explaining a little more about Ted Rall? I've really heard of him mainly by seeing generally moderate-to-conservative writers complain about him. Wot's the rap on him?
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at July 16, 2004 05:37 PMAs a public service would Gene (or somebody) mind explaining a little more about Ted Rall? I've really heard of him mainly by seeing generally moderate-to-conservative writers complain about him. Wot's the rap on him?
Here's a notorious example. And another.
He makes Michael Moore look like a master of subtlety. And his 1984 update really sucked.
Posted by: Gene Zitver at July 16, 2004 06:59 PMAh. Thx, I think.
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at July 16, 2004 08:14 PM