Veblen provides an infuriating counterpoint to the Gibbon quote about mathematics I wrote about earlier. However, not having studied the classics, I can't translate the Horace quote. Anybody?
The fact that classical learning acts to derange the learner's workmanlike attitudes should fall lightly upon the apprehension of those who hold workmanship of small account in comparison with the cultivation of decorous ideals: Iam fides et pax et honos pudorque Priscus et neglecta redire virtus Audet.
Full quote:
The classics, and their position of prerogative in the scheme of education to which the higher seminaries of learning cling with such a fond predilection, serve to shape the intellectual attitude and lower the economic efficiency of the new learned generation. They do this not only by holding up an archaic ideal of manhood, but also by the discrimination which they inculcate with respect to the reputable and the disreputable in knowledge. This result is accomplished in two ways: (1) by inspiring an habitual aversion to what is merely useful, as contrasted with what is merely honorific in learning, and so shaping the tastes of the novice that he comes in good faith to find gratification of his tastes solely, or almost solely, in such exercise of the intellect as normally results in no industrial or social gain; and (2) by consuming the learner's time and effort in acquiring knowledge which is of no use,except in so far as this learning has by convention become incorporated into the sum of learning required of the scholar, and has thereby affected the terminology and diction employed in the useful branches of knowledge. Except for this terminological difficulty -- which is itself a consequence of the vogue of the classics of the past -- a knowledge of the ancient languages, for instance, would have no practical bearing for any scientist or any scholar not engaged on work primarily of a linguistic character. Of course, all this has nothing to say as to the cultural value of the classics, nor is there any intention to disparage the discipline of the classics or the bent which their study gives to the student. That bent seems to be of an economically disserviceable kind, but this fact -- somewhat notorious indeed -- need disturb no one who has the good fortune to find comfort and strength in the classical lore. The fact that classical learning acts to derange the learner's workmanlike attitudes should fall lightly upon the apprehension of those who hold workmanship of small account in comparison with the cultivation of decorous ideals: Iam fides et pax et honos pudorque Priscus et neglecta redire virtus Audet.
Posted by Ben Brumfield at December 15, 2004 01:30 PMIt's from the Carmen Saeculare (Centennial Hymn) - about two-thirds of the way through -- and means:
"...now Faith and Peace and Honour and old-fashioned Modesty and neglected Virtue dare to return..."
Posted by: Tom Deveson at December 16, 2004 12:30 AMThank you, Tom.
Posted by: Ben Brumfield at December 16, 2004 06:47 AMJust ask a classical reference question and Mr. Deveson appears out of the woodwork. It's like Roger Rabbit who hears "shave and a haircut..." and can't resist singing out "...two bits!"
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at December 16, 2004 08:06 PMA case of naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret?
The response to "Shave and a haircut" we learned as children from my father was "Bay Rum", which seems to date back to 1914 at least.
Posted by: Tom Deveson at December 16, 2004 11:39 PM