I have a feeling that this one is aimed at me, and since there's no way to reply to it on the original site I'll make a brief mention here.
First off, I'm not going to comment directly on the incidents cited because I've been around blogs long enough now to suspect any news anecdote that's too good to be true. Allport's Rule of Blog Shock-Horror (as applicable to the Left as to the Right) is that in cases like this there is always some detail left out that only transpires after much digging around, which I certainly don't have time to do now. Thus, for the sake of argument, I'll assume that each scenario is just as bad as it seems, even though my gut feeling is dubious.
So where does that leave us? Since "those folks who still think the Taser is used only as a safety measure against uncontrollable dangerous maniacs" are, for the purposes of this argument, imaginary Straw Men (perhaps they exist; but I've never met one, and I'm certainly not one myself), it's not immediately clear what conclusion is being posed. That cops are born sadists? That they're badly trained and regulated? That Chuck-E-Cheez is no place to be assaulted? All possible debating points. I'm just not clear what the taser, in and of itself, has to do with any of them. Even if it had never been invented all these problems would still exist, one has to assume. It's just that different tools would be available. Two comments unwittingly (I suspect) provide an answer - that is, if people ask the right question in the first place:
"I suppose it could have been worse, he might just have shot him, and been done with it."
"This guy is threating to arrest both of us over a $1.50, have our car towed and he's waving around his night stick like he's ready to bust some heads."
Out of the mouth of babes ...
It seems to me that blaming a taser because it's abused is a bit like blaming a guitar because it's out-of-tune.
Posted by Alan Allport at March 11, 2005 04:46 AMIt seems to me that blaming a taser because it's abused is a bit like blaming a guitar because it's out-of-tune.
That sounds a lot like "Guns don't kill people..."
Posted by: Bobby Farouk at March 11, 2005 06:52 AMA cliche, but true for all that, non? So the appropriate question to ask is not "are guns evil", but "who should be allowed to have them, and for what purpose, and to what extent are they replaceable with other, less dangerous weapons?" Which frames the issue in a rather different way.
Posted by: Alan Allport at March 11, 2005 07:20 AMThe item wasn't entirely for yr benefit, Alan, don't worry.
BTW last month I skipped this item about a police chief using phrases from the Taser company's own literature to describe the non-Taser factors he was blaming for yet another death of a Tasered suspect.
Sorry, but whatever its theoretical usefulness as a kinder, gentler means to restrain the dangerous, in practice the Taser does not appear to bring out the better nature of anyone associated with it.
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at March 11, 2005 09:29 AM"This guy is threating to arrest both of us over a $1.50, have our car towed and he's waving around his night stick like he's ready to bust some heads."
As someone who was arrested and detained for hours by transit cops who thought I'd tricked the ticket machines into giving me a ticket worth $1.10, I can sympathize. Standards seem to be very low in some departments or precincts or however it is they organize them.
Posted by: Alan Hogue at March 11, 2005 09:39 AMThe item wasn't entirely for yr benefit, Alan, don't worry.
Fair enough; I didn't mean to slight the growing constituency of NRA wingnuts who read Demisemiblog religiously.
Posted by: Alan Allport at March 11, 2005 11:08 AMFair enough; I didn't mean to slight the growing constituency of NRA wingnuts who read Demisemiblog religiously.
No offence taken, Alan. Though I do wish you'd quit drawing attention to my waistline.
Posted by: Ben Brumfield at March 11, 2005 11:10 AMI like to think of you more as a barbed insert, Ben ...
Posted by: Alan Allport at March 11, 2005 11:16 AMThat's reassuring. The barbed insert is a noble fitting, without which most kegging would be impossible. Imagine a world without forced carbonation, and you'll understand the vital role of the barbed insert in our society.
Posted by: Ben Brumfield at March 11, 2005 11:24 AMPEOPLE, this is a family blog.
Posted by: Alan Hogue at March 11, 2005 11:25 AMApparently Alan Hogue is one of those bottle-carbonation bigots. I always suspected as much.
And I would just like to say a word for the myriad innocent victims of forced carbonation, a custom that, "traditional practice" or not, has widespread gastric consequences for those subjected to it.
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at March 11, 2005 02:06 PMHrmph. You can take my CO2 tanks when you pry them from my cold, dead hands!
Posted by: Ben Brumfield at March 11, 2005 02:15 PMCan we now spend 1,000 posts or so dissecting what the Founders meant exactly by "A well-regulated brewery, being necessary ..."?
Posted by: Alan Allport at March 11, 2005 02:19 PMHere's a little trivia. A set of steward's records of a relatively wealthy household from the late 14th century shows that the average member consumed 1.5 gallons of ale per day (a little higher than the supposed late medieval average of 1 gallon/day), plus the household consumed on the order of seventy bottles of wine each day on top of that. And they employed their own brewer. And ate almost nothing but red meat.
Posted by: Alan Hogue at March 11, 2005 02:40 PMObviously, medieval culture was far more advanced than we traditionally give them credit for.
Posted by: Alan Hogue at March 11, 2005 02:42 PMI wonder if Joe Mitchell knew that. Yr medieval household sounds just like one of his old New York "beefsteaks."
Posted by: Martha Bridegam at March 11, 2005 04:27 PMAlan, what's your source on the medieval household stat?
Posted by: Ben Brumfield at March 16, 2005 05:48 AM(a little higher than the supposed late medieval average of 1 gallon/day), plus the household consumed on the order of seventy bottles of wine each day on top of that. And they employed their own brewer. And ate almost nothing but red meat.
I have phases like that myself from time to time...
Posted by: Airbrushed By The Commissars at March 16, 2005 07:37 AMAlan, what's your source on the medieval household stat?
I found it in a review of this book. The review itself should appear here within a week or so.
Posted by: Alan Hogue at March 16, 2005 02:21 PM